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==Fit Bikes==
 
==Fit Bikes==
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* [http://www.purelycustom.com/p-315-sicipurely-custom-size-cycle.aspx Purely Custom/SICI]
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* [http://www.calfeedesign.com/sizer.htm Calfee Sizer Cycle]
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* [http://fitmaster.net/site/ Waterford Fitmaster]
 
* Serotta Fit Bike
 
* Serotta Fit Bike
 
* San Giorgio Fig Jig
 
* San Giorgio Fig Jig
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* [http://www.tiemeyercycles.com/positioncycle.html Tiemeyer Cycles Position Cycle]
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===My fit bike===
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I got myself one of the Calfee/Mikkelson Sizer Cycles. Fun!!! I also have a PowerTAP rear wheel for it to measure power gains in different postitions.
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[[Image:Calfee-sizer-cycle-1.jpg]]<br><br>
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[[Image:Calfee-sizer-cycle-2.jpg]]<br><br>
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[[Image:Calfee-sizer-cycle-3.jpg]]<br><br>
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[[Image:Calfee-sizer-cycle-4.jpg]]<br><br>
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[[Image:Calfee-sizer-cycle-5.jpg]]<br><br>
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[[Image:Calfee-sizer-cycle-6.jpg]]<br><br>
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==Goniometers==
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Goniometer
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A goniometer is used to measure the angle of the knee as well as other joints on the body when doing a fit. The goniometers that are sold throught medical channels are just too short to get good results. You need between 18" and 24". I have found a couple of very good alternatives.
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Quint Measuring Systems, Inc. P.O. Box 280, San Ramon, CA 94583 (800)745-5045 http://www.quintmeasuring.com/
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*24" True Angle Tool - Contractor Grade (Heavy-Duty)
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*18" True Angle Tool
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*4" Attachable Dial
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*7" Attachable Dial
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I got the 24" version because it is more rugged and thicker.
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==Kits==
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*[http://www.retul.com/ Retul], 3D computer anylisis
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*[http://bikefitkit.com/ Fit Kit]
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*[http://www.bikefitting.com/English/Frame.aspx Bikefitting.com]
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*[http://www.bikefit.com/ Bike Fit Systems]
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*[http://www.billbostoncycles.com/ Accufit] by Bill Boston
  
 
==Local Fitters==
 
==Local Fitters==
  
 
*[http://norcalcycling.com/stores/fitting.shtml NorCal Cycling] in Santa Rosa. $75. They do a pretty good job. Much better than the average bike shop in the bay area. This is where I send most people that need a basic fitting.
 
*[http://norcalcycling.com/stores/fitting.shtml NorCal Cycling] in Santa Rosa. $75. They do a pretty good job. Much better than the average bike shop in the bay area. This is where I send most people that need a basic fitting.
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*, $150
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*[http://www.wholeathlete.com/biomechanics.htm#cycling Whole Athelete], San Anselmo, CA, $220-295
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*Craig Upton of [http://www.performancelabshc.com/pages.php?id=53 Performance Lab HC] , $150
 
*[http://www.pkcycling.com/Site/Welcome_to_PK_Cycling.html PK Racing], in Fairfax. $450-500. Primarily pro road/tri experts. They are very expensive and I have no personal experience with them other than the fact that they are only 3 blocks from my house.  
 
*[http://www.pkcycling.com/Site/Welcome_to_PK_Cycling.html PK Racing], in Fairfax. $450-500. Primarily pro road/tri experts. They are very expensive and I have no personal experience with them other than the fact that they are only 3 blocks from my house.  
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*[http://www.cyclesportsonline.com/services/index.htm Cycle Sport], in Oakland. $125
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*[http://www.ariavelo.com/HTML/services.html AriaVelo], in Santa Rosa.
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*[http://www.hypercat.com/bike_fit.html HyperCat Racing], SF
  
 
or search Serotta by [http://www.serottacyclinginstitute.com/zipSearch.html zip code]
 
or search Serotta by [http://www.serottacyclinginstitute.com/zipSearch.html zip code]
  
 
==Links==
 
==Links==
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*[http://www2.bsn.de/Cycling/ergobike.html Ergo Bike] Competition Bicycle Size/ Proportions Analysis By Edward C. Zimmermann
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*[http://www.jacksbikes.com/index1.html Jack's Bikes] - A fit kit walk through
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*[http://www.cyclemetrics.com/pages/FitLinks/bike_fit_links.htm Cyclemetrics] link page
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*[http://www.roadcyclinguk.com/news/article/mps/uan/1558 Pruitt]
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*[http://www.cyclefitcentre.com/further%20reading.htm Steve Hogg]
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A cool poster from Ritchey Logic: http://ritcheylogic.com/media/File/5022_FIT_LOGIC_POSTER_090909lowres.pdf
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==Some Traditional Numbers==
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===Weight Distribution===
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:Road:
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*In drops decending: 45% Front / 55% Rear
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*On tops climbing: 40% Front / 60% Rear
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*On hoods, out of saddle, sprinting: 50% Front / 50% Rear
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:MTB:
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For trail I prefer a setup that sets the rider as far back as possible while maintaining control on steepest climb without too much fussing.
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Fox racing shox recomends 55% for X-Country, 65% for Freeride, and 70% for Downhill.
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When designing a frame from scratch, wheel offset from BB along wheelbase can be used as a ballpark start.
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*Road - 58.5%F/41.5%R
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*Trailbike - 61%F/39%R
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*MTB Race 60%F/40%R.
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===Cleat Position===
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"5. Make sure that the ball of your foot [centre of the first metatarsal joint] is in front of the pedal axle with the crank arm forward and horizontal. For a rough guide for shoe size metric 36 - 38, 7mm in front; 39 - 41, 8mm in front; 42 - 43, 9mm in front; 44 -45, 10mm in front. It is unlikely that your feet are bigger than that. Don't forget to move the right cleat further back again as outlined in point 3. I know that this is at variance with the commonly given advice but you will find as you try it that it works."
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http://www.cyclefitcentre.com/pdf%20final%20docs/SHOE%20AND%20PEDAL%20ARTICLE%208_final.pdf
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http://www.cyclingnews.com/fitness/?id=2004/letters07-26#Cleat
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http://www.cyclingnews.com/fitness/?id=2004/letters10-11#Ball
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===Crank Length===
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39.5% of femur length.
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:L(mm) = 2.16% x I(mm)
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:http://www.polaris.net/palmk/crankset.html
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:"As a matter of fact, a large, persistent drop in cadence is usually a good indication that the crank is, in fact, too long."
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:2.10% for taller riders
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Popular Guides
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Height Inseam Cranklength
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:under than 5' <=70 cm. 165
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:5' to 5'2" <=74 cm. 167.5
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:5'2" to 5'7" <=80 cm. 170
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:5'7" to 6' <=86 cm. 172.5
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:6' to 6'5" <=93 cm. 175
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:taller than 6'5" <=99 cm. 177.5 - 180.0
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Traditional Recomendations
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Height Inseam Cranklength
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:under 5'7" 74 to 80 cm. 170
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:5'7" to 6' 81 to 86 cm. 172.5
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:Over 6' longer than 87 cm 175
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http://www2.bsn.de/Cycling/cranks.html
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18.5% from top of femur to floor.
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Inseam:
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*< 29 inches - 165 mm crank
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*29 - 32 inches - 170 mm crank
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*32 - 34 inches - 172.5 mm crank
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*> 34 inches - 175 mm crank
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Frame Size:
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*54 cm or less,  170 mm
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*55 - 58 cm,  172.5 mm
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*59 cm or greater,  175 mm
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*Gonzalez and Hull, Bivariate optimization of pedaling rate and crank arm length. Journal of biomechanics 1988, vol. 21, no10, pp. 839-849
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*Danny Too; Gerald E. Landwer, The effect of pedal crank arm length on joint angle and power production in upright cycle ergometry. Journal of Sports Sciences, Volume 18, Issue 3 March 2000 , pages 153 - 161
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===Knee Angle===
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30-35 Degrees. More bend conserves more energy, less bend for more power.
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31-32 is optimum.
 +
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===Saddle Height===
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*Inseam (with cycling shoes) x 0.883 = Top of the saddle to the center of the bottom bracket. (beware oversized feet using this)
 +
*Inseam (with cycling shoes) x 1.09 = Pedal spindle to top of saddle with pedal parallel to seat tube.
 +
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*LeMond Method - Adjust the saddle to a distance equal to your PBH* x .883, measured from the top of saddle to the center of the bottom-bracket
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*Petersen Method - Adjust the saddle to a distance equal to your PBH x .873, measured from the top of saddle to the center of the bottom-bracket
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*Hamley Method - Adjust the saddle to a distance equal to your PBH x 1.09, measured from the top of saddle to the pedaling surface (with the crank at bottom-dead-center inline with the seat tube)
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*Holmes Method - Adjust the saddle so your knee is bent 25-35 degrees with the ball of your foot on the pedal (with the crank at bottom-dead-center inline with the seat tube)
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===Trunk Angle===
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About 30-40 degrees from level. (45 at most)
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===Shoulder Angle===
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90-100 degrees.
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===Elbow Bend===
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15 degrees
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===Stem Length===
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*Shoulder angle 90 degrees +/- 5 degrees.
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*When in drops, axle obscured by bars.
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*With arms bent 15 degrees in drops, plumb line from nose bisects stem at bars.
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===Handlebar Height===
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*1-2 inches below the saddle for small riders
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*up to 4 inches for taller riders.
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*[http://www.cyclemetrics.com/pages/FitLinks/bike_fit_links.htm Cyclemetrics] link page
 
  
 
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Latest revision as of 17:53, 3 January 2011

Why Fit

Different Philosophies

Serotta

Serotta has been a leader in bicycle fit for quite a while. The established the Serrotta Cycling Institute to further the goals of a better understanding of bike fit.

Fit Bikes

My fit bike

I got myself one of the Calfee/Mikkelson Sizer Cycles. Fun!!! I also have a PowerTAP rear wheel for it to measure power gains in different postitions.

Calfee-sizer-cycle-1.jpg

Calfee-sizer-cycle-2.jpg

Calfee-sizer-cycle-3.jpg

Calfee-sizer-cycle-4.jpg

Calfee-sizer-cycle-5.jpg

Calfee-sizer-cycle-6.jpg

Goniometers

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Goniometer


A goniometer is used to measure the angle of the knee as well as other joints on the body when doing a fit. The goniometers that are sold throught medical channels are just too short to get good results. You need between 18" and 24". I have found a couple of very good alternatives.

Quint Measuring Systems, Inc. P.O. Box 280, San Ramon, CA 94583 (800)745-5045 http://www.quintmeasuring.com/

  • 24" True Angle Tool - Contractor Grade (Heavy-Duty)
  • 18" True Angle Tool
  • 4" Attachable Dial
  • 7" Attachable Dial

I got the 24" version because it is more rugged and thicker.

Kits

Local Fitters

  • NorCal Cycling in Santa Rosa. $75. They do a pretty good job. Much better than the average bike shop in the bay area. This is where I send most people that need a basic fitting.
  • Whole Athelete, San Anselmo, CA, $220-295
  • Craig Upton of Performance Lab HC , $150
  • PK Racing, in Fairfax. $450-500. Primarily pro road/tri experts. They are very expensive and I have no personal experience with them other than the fact that they are only 3 blocks from my house.
  • Cycle Sport, in Oakland. $125
  • AriaVelo, in Santa Rosa.
  • HyperCat Racing, SF

or search Serotta by zip code

Links

A cool poster from Ritchey Logic: http://ritcheylogic.com/media/File/5022_FIT_LOGIC_POSTER_090909lowres.pdf

Some Traditional Numbers

Weight Distribution

Road:
  • In drops decending: 45% Front / 55% Rear
  • On tops climbing: 40% Front / 60% Rear
  • On hoods, out of saddle, sprinting: 50% Front / 50% Rear


MTB:

For trail I prefer a setup that sets the rider as far back as possible while maintaining control on steepest climb without too much fussing.

Fox racing shox recomends 55% for X-Country, 65% for Freeride, and 70% for Downhill.


When designing a frame from scratch, wheel offset from BB along wheelbase can be used as a ballpark start.

  • Road - 58.5%F/41.5%R
  • Trailbike - 61%F/39%R
  • MTB Race 60%F/40%R.

Cleat Position

"5. Make sure that the ball of your foot [centre of the first metatarsal joint] is in front of the pedal axle with the crank arm forward and horizontal. For a rough guide for shoe size metric 36 - 38, 7mm in front; 39 - 41, 8mm in front; 42 - 43, 9mm in front; 44 -45, 10mm in front. It is unlikely that your feet are bigger than that. Don't forget to move the right cleat further back again as outlined in point 3. I know that this is at variance with the commonly given advice but you will find as you try it that it works."

http://www.cyclefitcentre.com/pdf%20final%20docs/SHOE%20AND%20PEDAL%20ARTICLE%208_final.pdf

http://www.cyclingnews.com/fitness/?id=2004/letters07-26#Cleat

http://www.cyclingnews.com/fitness/?id=2004/letters10-11#Ball

Crank Length

39.5% of femur length.

L(mm) = 2.16% x I(mm)
http://www.polaris.net/palmk/crankset.html
"As a matter of fact, a large, persistent drop in cadence is usually a good indication that the crank is, in fact, too long."
2.10% for taller riders

Popular Guides Height Inseam Cranklength

under than 5' <=70 cm. 165
5' to 5'2" <=74 cm. 167.5
5'2" to 5'7" <=80 cm. 170
5'7" to 6' <=86 cm. 172.5
6' to 6'5" <=93 cm. 175
taller than 6'5" <=99 cm. 177.5 - 180.0

Traditional Recomendations Height Inseam Cranklength

under 5'7" 74 to 80 cm. 170
5'7" to 6' 81 to 86 cm. 172.5
Over 6' longer than 87 cm 175

http://www2.bsn.de/Cycling/cranks.html

18.5% from top of femur to floor.

Inseam:

  • < 29 inches - 165 mm crank
  • 29 - 32 inches - 170 mm crank
  • 32 - 34 inches - 172.5 mm crank
  • > 34 inches - 175 mm crank

Frame Size:

  • 54 cm or less, 170 mm
  • 55 - 58 cm, 172.5 mm
  • 59 cm or greater, 175 mm
  • Gonzalez and Hull, Bivariate optimization of pedaling rate and crank arm length. Journal of biomechanics 1988, vol. 21, no10, pp. 839-849
  • Danny Too; Gerald E. Landwer, The effect of pedal crank arm length on joint angle and power production in upright cycle ergometry. Journal of Sports Sciences, Volume 18, Issue 3 March 2000 , pages 153 - 161

Knee Angle

30-35 Degrees. More bend conserves more energy, less bend for more power.

31-32 is optimum.

Saddle Height

  • Inseam (with cycling shoes) x 0.883 = Top of the saddle to the center of the bottom bracket. (beware oversized feet using this)
  • Inseam (with cycling shoes) x 1.09 = Pedal spindle to top of saddle with pedal parallel to seat tube.
  • LeMond Method - Adjust the saddle to a distance equal to your PBH* x .883, measured from the top of saddle to the center of the bottom-bracket
  • Petersen Method - Adjust the saddle to a distance equal to your PBH x .873, measured from the top of saddle to the center of the bottom-bracket
  • Hamley Method - Adjust the saddle to a distance equal to your PBH x 1.09, measured from the top of saddle to the pedaling surface (with the crank at bottom-dead-center inline with the seat tube)
  • Holmes Method - Adjust the saddle so your knee is bent 25-35 degrees with the ball of your foot on the pedal (with the crank at bottom-dead-center inline with the seat tube)

Trunk Angle

About 30-40 degrees from level. (45 at most)

Shoulder Angle

90-100 degrees.

Elbow Bend

15 degrees

Stem Length

  • Shoulder angle 90 degrees +/- 5 degrees.
  • When in drops, axle obscured by bars.
  • With arms bent 15 degrees in drops, plumb line from nose bisects stem at bars.

Handlebar Height

  • 1-2 inches below the saddle for small riders
  • up to 4 inches for taller riders.
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